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#13144 - 06/22/10 07:13 AM B20Bvtec help
derf Offline
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k heres the deal im doin the b20b vtec and i know i need the ls vtec kit i just got that B16 block and head now dalton said i need to run the b16 timing belt and water pump and do i need to use the head bolts out of the b16 or the b20? and did anyone change the rod bolts or bearing in the motor so it can handel the high revs ? im not goin to chip the ecu so do i need to change the rod bolts and bearings? thanks for your help

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#13145 - 06/22/10 07:47 AM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: derf]
jason Offline
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ask pauld he just did a couple
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1990 crx si ... sold
1988 crx si .... sold
1992 civic vx b16a swap .... (r.i.p) parted out
1992 civic dx ... sold
1993 da9 ... milano red .... custom 2.5 inch header back and b20b all motor in the works

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#13146 - 06/22/10 07:49 AM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: derf]
Justin Offline
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Put Arp rod bolts in , b16 timing belts to short use b18c family timing belts,buy a new b series vtec water pump 22 teeth. And u need to get b20 lsvtec head stud kit from arp. N u need the proper lsvtec kit with 84mm gasket for the bigger bore still got some decent money to be spent Freddy
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#13150 - 06/22/10 11:49 AM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: Justin]
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ARP head studs is a must.... I would rethink the not chiping and tuning... you will get more power and will last way longer. I am getting pauld to build me a b20 vtec also and I am for sure going to chip it.

Did you use the blackworks kit or the golden eagle kit? When you do the build try and take a few pics and make a little build thread, I would love to see how it goes. smile

My plan is to run the bottem end stock for year or two and then upgrade to aftermarket pistons and rods for a little more power. I am sooo excited, I never thought I would need more power then a b16 but It's mostly the torque im after. Good luck dude!


Edited by ILL_BILL_NECRO (06/22/10 04:10 PM)
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#13254 - 06/24/10 11:00 PM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: ILL_BILL_NECRO]
jason Offline
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1990 crx si ... sold
1988 crx si .... sold
1992 civic vx b16a swap .... (r.i.p) parted out
1992 civic dx ... sold
1993 da9 ... milano red .... custom 2.5 inch header back and b20b all motor in the works

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#13269 - 06/25/10 01:25 PM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: jason]
ILL_BILL_NECRO Offline
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Great link if you wanna go all out and spend a mint, You can pull it off a little cheaper IMO.
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#13285 - 06/25/10 07:36 PM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: ILL_BILL_NECRO]
Tyler Offline
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Loc: Kelowna
Originally Posted By: ILL_BILL_NECRO
Great link if you wanna go all out and spend a mint, You can pull it off a little cheaper IMO.


ya you could probably do it cheaper but for me the motor is the last place I'd want to cheap out on over anything else on my car
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#13286 - 06/25/10 07:40 PM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: Tyler]
jason Offline
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i agree i know a guy who cheaped out and didnt get head studs not mentoining any names and it bit him in the as but everyone makes mistakes but for most of us we cant afford to do it a second time so its beter to do it right the first time
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1990 crx si ... sold
1988 crx si .... sold
1992 civic vx b16a swap .... (r.i.p) parted out
1992 civic dx ... sold
1993 da9 ... milano red .... custom 2.5 inch header back and b20b all motor in the works

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#13288 - 06/25/10 07:54 PM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: jason]
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Originally Posted By: jason
i agree ... most of us can't afford to do it a second time so its beter to do it right the first time

QFT!
AKA It's usually cheaper to do it right than to do it wrong & have to fix your prior eF ups.
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"while you're inside your motor, clean the unicorn droppings out from under the flatulator, and make sure you check the KY level in the d-series bunghole with an h-series crank sore puller"

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#13289 - 06/25/10 07:57 PM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: hisnibs]
jason Offline
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qft! ? .......
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1990 crx si ... sold
1988 crx si .... sold
1992 civic vx b16a swap .... (r.i.p) parted out
1992 civic dx ... sold
1993 da9 ... milano red .... custom 2.5 inch header back and b20b all motor in the works

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#13295 - 06/25/10 11:59 PM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: jason]
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Quoted For Truth!
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Originally Posted By: pauld
"while you're inside your motor, clean the unicorn droppings out from under the flatulator, and make sure you check the KY level in the d-series bunghole with an h-series crank sore puller"

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#13302 - 06/26/10 07:09 AM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: hisnibs]
jason Offline
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lol k
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1990 crx si ... sold
1988 crx si .... sold
1992 civic vx b16a swap .... (r.i.p) parted out
1992 civic dx ... sold
1993 da9 ... milano red .... custom 2.5 inch header back and b20b all motor in the works

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#13308 - 06/26/10 01:58 PM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: jason]
ILL_BILL_NECRO Offline
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Originally Posted By: jason
i agree i know a guy who cheaped out and didnt get head studs not mentoining any names and it bit him in the as but everyone makes mistakes but for most of us we cant afford to do it a second time so its beter to do it right the first time


hahaha lol I think I know that guy too.
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#13319 - 06/26/10 06:14 PM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: ILL_BILL_NECRO]
ef_civic Offline
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Registered: 08/28/09
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Loc: castlegar bc
Originally Posted By: ILL_BILL_NECRO
Originally Posted By: jason
i agree i know a guy who cheaped out and didnt get head studs not mentoining any names and it bit him in the as but everyone makes mistakes but for most of us we cant afford to do it a second time so its beter to do it right the first time


hahaha lol I think I know that guy too.


as do i, i think its a kootenay thing, alot of ppl know haha
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#13320 - 06/26/10 06:16 PM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: ef_civic]
ef_civic Offline
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Registered: 08/28/09
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Loc: castlegar bc
as your saying about all this stuff needed, i wonder what stuff is in my motor because two owners before i owned my car the b20b bottom end was swapped in, and when i replaced my timing belt recently, i ordered one for a 98 crv (b20)
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00 integra gsr-b20b ls/vtec, skunk2 springs, b&m short shift
89 civic sedan dx - 315,000kms, D.O.Ted, very sad.....
90 civic sedan lx - parts car, now at the autowreckers

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#13333 - 06/26/10 10:16 PM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: ef_civic]
ILL_BILL_NECRO Offline
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It's also a kootney thing that there are lot of great b20 setups around also....


Edited by ILL_BILL_NECRO (06/26/10 11:19 PM)
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#13434 - 06/29/10 09:31 AM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: ILL_BILL_NECRO]
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Yeah... I'm "that guy" who didnt do the arp studs, and learned the hard way that b16 headbolts are too short by around 1/2 an inch. They will thread in AND torque correctly, but just dont engage the blocks threads enough to be safe. Wrecked a perfectly good b20 block when I put 13 psi of boost on it and tore 4 of the bolthole threads! I still have the spiral of aluminum out of one of the holes sitting on my desk as a reminder to not be a cheapass!

If someone else can learn from my mistakes, I'd say that it wasnt a total waste wink

Buy a blackworks or GE 84mm bore conversion kit, arp studs, appropriate timing belt & water pump, and you will love your new motor, and it will love you back with torque and a great top-end charge! Just limit yourself to around 78-7900 rpm for your rev limit on your tuning.
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#13436 - 06/29/10 10:14 AM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: pauld]
derf Offline
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do i need to use b series clutch cable ?

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#13437 - 06/29/10 10:43 AM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: pauld]
Carter Offline
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Registered: 03/07/10
Posts: 231
Originally Posted By: pauld
Yeah... I'm "that guy" who didnt do the arp studs, and learned the hard way that b16 headbolts are too short by around 1/2 an inch. They will thread in AND torque correctly, but just dont engage the blocks threads enough to be safe. Wrecked a perfectly good b20 block when I put 13 psi of boost on it and tore 4 of the bolthole threads! I still have the spiral of aluminum out of one of the holes sitting on my desk as a reminder to not be a cheapass!

If someone else can learn from my mistakes, I'd say that it wasnt a total waste wink
Buy a blackworks or GE 84mm bore conversion kit, arp studs, appropriate timing belt & water pump, and you will love your new motor, and it will love you back withtorque and a great top-end charge! Just limit yourself to around 78-7900 rpmfor your rev limit on your tuning.



Thats like me not doing rod bolts and having my car hit rev limiter more then idle. That ended up with a rod cab rod bolt with the nut still attatched and having to cut that mess out of my rad with a pair of tin snips

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#13441 - 06/29/10 01:18 PM Re: B20Bvtec help [Re: Carter]
jason Offline
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Posts: 713
wat year of civic is this going into fred
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1990 crx si ... sold
1988 crx si .... sold
1992 civic vx b16a swap .... (r.i.p) parted out
1992 civic dx ... sold
1993 da9 ... milano red .... custom 2.5 inch header back and b20b all motor in the works

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